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		By: Frank Daniels		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Daniels]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trevor Craig is right: it is worth saying again and again.  What was once a party political point is no longer such. All parties appear to believe in privatisation, outsourcing, volunteering, anything to reduce financial responsibility for services for which the public are already paying via council tax. The 1964 Act requires that these services be provided. If they are no longer to be provided with fully qualified professional librarians running them, then government MUST repeal the Act. There can be nothing &quot;comprehensive&quot;  about volunteer run library services.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor Craig is right: it is worth saying again and again.  What was once a party political point is no longer such. All parties appear to believe in privatisation, outsourcing, volunteering, anything to reduce financial responsibility for services for which the public are already paying via council tax. The 1964 Act requires that these services be provided. If they are no longer to be provided with fully qualified professional librarians running them, then government MUST repeal the Act. There can be nothing &#8220;comprehensive&#8221;  about volunteer run library services.</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The point of my comment above simply highlights the key problem in modern politics. I am quite frankly tired of one party trying to get the one over on the other and blaming the opposition. Quite frankly, the cuts are necessary and I&#039;d rather have them deeper for a shorter length of time rather than prolonging them, resulting in seriously underfunded libraries over decades that eventually people will never want to use. 

In the examples above, most of the councils have shut a rather unnecessary quantity of libraries, especially Brent. I appreciate Tory run councils are hardly angels, but I havent seen so many examples of mass closures like this in their seats. 

I remember filling out Camden&#039;s library consultation, with the front page being a letter from a Labour MP simply giving propaganda about how dedicated her party were on the council and how all the problems were from the central government. 
Filling out the consultation, this really wasn&#039;t what I wanted to read and I knew from the start that the outcome was going to be the closure of several branches. I would have preferred it if the consultation was more open to ideas rather than the options given. I&#039;m not bothered about who is doing what, I just would rather we could fix this problem ASAP, with the visible cuts being as light as possible. 
This is particularly why I chose Bexley and Bromley as an example. In Bromley, a new library has opened in Orpington and Bromley Central has just been refurbished. I haven&#039;t seen any clear signs of closures yet. 
I think if councils are more creative, eg. by sharing more services etc, we can continue to maintain quality library services on a good budget.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of my comment above simply highlights the key problem in modern politics. I am quite frankly tired of one party trying to get the one over on the other and blaming the opposition. Quite frankly, the cuts are necessary and I&#8217;d rather have them deeper for a shorter length of time rather than prolonging them, resulting in seriously underfunded libraries over decades that eventually people will never want to use. </p>
<p>In the examples above, most of the councils have shut a rather unnecessary quantity of libraries, especially Brent. I appreciate Tory run councils are hardly angels, but I havent seen so many examples of mass closures like this in their seats. </p>
<p>I remember filling out Camden&#8217;s library consultation, with the front page being a letter from a Labour MP simply giving propaganda about how dedicated her party were on the council and how all the problems were from the central government.<br />
Filling out the consultation, this really wasn&#8217;t what I wanted to read and I knew from the start that the outcome was going to be the closure of several branches. I would have preferred it if the consultation was more open to ideas rather than the options given. I&#8217;m not bothered about who is doing what, I just would rather we could fix this problem ASAP, with the visible cuts being as light as possible.<br />
This is particularly why I chose Bexley and Bromley as an example. In Bromley, a new library has opened in Orpington and Bromley Central has just been refurbished. I haven&#8217;t seen any clear signs of closures yet.<br />
I think if councils are more creative, eg. by sharing more services etc, we can continue to maintain quality library services on a good budget.</p>
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		By: Elizabeth Ash		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elizabeth Ash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot on Ian! I believe that the Cons Home article also sought to discredit you as a reliable source of information, which is clearly laughable. 

Trevor Craig is right. All parties are cutting libraries and Conservative Councils are being much more cagey about their handling of this. 

In Conservative-controlled Croydon, the message given is that the council have listened, having consulted on just six libraries, and all remain open. Very little information than this is given; even the local press seem unable or unwilling to speak out on this issue, as the local press have in other areas.  Conservative-controlled Wandsworth, with whom Croydon work to outsource (i.e. privatise) libraries, have been more open about their actions. 

Croydon residents are generally misinformed as few realise that the council are forging ahead with plans to outsource the whole network of 13 libraries. Few feel they can complain about the inferior service on offer due to staff cuts, reduced book stock and reduced funding, as at least their library is open. And who wants to complain when they see the remaining staff working so hard to try to maintain a service? 

Residents are being conditioned to accept their lot, without complaint. 

I&#039;d have more respect for the local politicians if they were honest about what was really happening, rather than hiding behind empty platitudes and silence.  Run the libraries down, cut the staff, the book stock and the opening hours or shut them completely but at least have the courage of conviction to be honest and open about actions taken. The silent underhand erosion of a library service, hollowed out, whilst giving the clear public message that the service has been saved, is a cowardly act worthy of contempt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Ian! I believe that the Cons Home article also sought to discredit you as a reliable source of information, which is clearly laughable. </p>
<p>Trevor Craig is right. All parties are cutting libraries and Conservative Councils are being much more cagey about their handling of this. </p>
<p>In Conservative-controlled Croydon, the message given is that the council have listened, having consulted on just six libraries, and all remain open. Very little information than this is given; even the local press seem unable or unwilling to speak out on this issue, as the local press have in other areas.  Conservative-controlled Wandsworth, with whom Croydon work to outsource (i.e. privatise) libraries, have been more open about their actions. </p>
<p>Croydon residents are generally misinformed as few realise that the council are forging ahead with plans to outsource the whole network of 13 libraries. Few feel they can complain about the inferior service on offer due to staff cuts, reduced book stock and reduced funding, as at least their library is open. And who wants to complain when they see the remaining staff working so hard to try to maintain a service? </p>
<p>Residents are being conditioned to accept their lot, without complaint. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d have more respect for the local politicians if they were honest about what was really happening, rather than hiding behind empty platitudes and silence.  Run the libraries down, cut the staff, the book stock and the opening hours or shut them completely but at least have the courage of conviction to be honest and open about actions taken. The silent underhand erosion of a library service, hollowed out, whilst giving the clear public message that the service has been saved, is a cowardly act worthy of contempt.</p>
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		By: Trevor Craig		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have just picked arbitrary examples, how does that prove your point exactly? This site is completely unbiased, it doesn&#039;t contain the dogmatic ideological BS we have to put up with from the non thinking morons in politics. All parties are cutting libraries, perhaps Labour are being more blatant because they have the political cover of blaming the government for the &quot;too far, too fast&quot; cuts which are the same ones their bunch of morons were planning to make anyway. The Tories upon being leaned upon by their masters are using the &quot;big society&quot; nonsense to try and pass the blame for libraries closures to the users,  because if the volunteers are not found they can say the communities don&#039;t want them. One thing is clear though, forcing volunteers to staff libraries doesn&#039;t save money and the slow drip of bad news on libraries closures is going to cost the tories a lots of votes next year, especially with a resurgent UKIP splitting their vote. Taxpayers deserve better than the libraries been used as a ping pong ball in a game of party table tennis. 

&quot;Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.&quot;

 Or in this case both because Vaizey isn&#039;t doing the job he is paid to do.  Vaizey the new Beeching]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have just picked arbitrary examples, how does that prove your point exactly? This site is completely unbiased, it doesn&#8217;t contain the dogmatic ideological BS we have to put up with from the non thinking morons in politics. All parties are cutting libraries, perhaps Labour are being more blatant because they have the political cover of blaming the government for the &#8220;too far, too fast&#8221; cuts which are the same ones their bunch of morons were planning to make anyway. The Tories upon being leaned upon by their masters are using the &#8220;big society&#8221; nonsense to try and pass the blame for libraries closures to the users,  because if the volunteers are not found they can say the communities don&#8217;t want them. One thing is clear though, forcing volunteers to staff libraries doesn&#8217;t save money and the slow drip of bad news on libraries closures is going to cost the tories a lots of votes next year, especially with a resurgent UKIP splitting their vote. Taxpayers deserve better than the libraries been used as a ping pong ball in a game of party table tennis. </p>
<p>&#8220;Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.&#8221;</p>
<p> Or in this case both because Vaizey isn&#8217;t doing the job he is paid to do.  Vaizey the new Beeching</p>
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		By: Stephen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Labour are definitely the cause of more library closures
- Firstly Bexley is a Tory controlled borough (in fact one of London&#039;s safest Tory seats)
- Hertfordshire (Tory stronghold) haven&#039;t made a single closure, but instead cut opening times at least used hours, similarly in Essex, Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Hampshire (all Tory)
- Kent have averted any closures (currently) by installing Self Service in most of its libraries
- Wandsworth, despite closing a library, chose the option given to close one library and cut opening times rather than culling half its service
- Bromley (VERY Tory) have combined services with Bexley to cut costs rather than close libraries
- The tri-borough agreement in Hammersmith and Fulham/Kensington and Chelsea/Westminster has minimised closures here
- Medway council have pledged no closures
- Hillingdon have put MORE money in to libraries
Compare to:
a) Lewisham - 5x closures - this was a while ago and seems to have been forgotten about. I recall the Mayor picking this option rather than opening cuts. They also closed New Cross early to chicken out of public opposition
b) Brent - Glorfiying in closing its libraries despite 82% of residents saying no. Its existing libraries (eg Kingsbury, Ealing Road, Willesden) are FAR too small to do a proper job
c) Hounslow tried closing 8 of its 11 libraries
d) Wakefield
e) Middlesbrough
f) Camden - closing 3x libraries despite the opposition in the consultation
g) Waltham Forest
h) Bolton
... in fact I can barely think of any Labour controlled councils that haven&#039;t closed at least one library. 
In fact Brent even REFUSED to hand libraries over to volunteers. 
I think the comment &quot;Labour controlled councils are facing disproportionate cuts&quot; is also wrong - they are only facing large cuts because they received so much in the first place from the last government. The figures also come from The Guardian - a very biased paper. 
At least the Tory councils are handing over buildings to volunteers to take care of rather than closing them altogether.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour are definitely the cause of more library closures<br />
&#8211; Firstly Bexley is a Tory controlled borough (in fact one of London&#8217;s safest Tory seats)<br />
&#8211; Hertfordshire (Tory stronghold) haven&#8217;t made a single closure, but instead cut opening times at least used hours, similarly in Essex, Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Hampshire (all Tory)<br />
&#8211; Kent have averted any closures (currently) by installing Self Service in most of its libraries<br />
&#8211; Wandsworth, despite closing a library, chose the option given to close one library and cut opening times rather than culling half its service<br />
&#8211; Bromley (VERY Tory) have combined services with Bexley to cut costs rather than close libraries<br />
&#8211; The tri-borough agreement in Hammersmith and Fulham/Kensington and Chelsea/Westminster has minimised closures here<br />
&#8211; Medway council have pledged no closures<br />
&#8211; Hillingdon have put MORE money in to libraries<br />
Compare to:<br />
a) Lewisham &#8211; 5x closures &#8211; this was a while ago and seems to have been forgotten about. I recall the Mayor picking this option rather than opening cuts. They also closed New Cross early to chicken out of public opposition<br />
b) Brent &#8211; Glorfiying in closing its libraries despite 82% of residents saying no. Its existing libraries (eg Kingsbury, Ealing Road, Willesden) are FAR too small to do a proper job<br />
c) Hounslow tried closing 8 of its 11 libraries<br />
d) Wakefield<br />
e) Middlesbrough<br />
f) Camden &#8211; closing 3x libraries despite the opposition in the consultation<br />
g) Waltham Forest<br />
h) Bolton<br />
&#8230; in fact I can barely think of any Labour controlled councils that haven&#8217;t closed at least one library.<br />
In fact Brent even REFUSED to hand libraries over to volunteers.<br />
I think the comment &#8220;Labour controlled councils are facing disproportionate cuts&#8221; is also wrong &#8211; they are only facing large cuts because they received so much in the first place from the last government. The figures also come from The Guardian &#8211; a very biased paper.<br />
At least the Tory councils are handing over buildings to volunteers to take care of rather than closing them altogether.</p>
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